1 00:00:04,720 --> 00:00:06,560 This is a human bone, where did you get this? 2 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:09,160 It's not about me, it's my mum. 3 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:11,040 They came from Arnold Mears. 4 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:13,200 I thought he was in prison. 5 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:14,240 He is. 6 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:17,600 You know why you're here, Annie? 7 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:19,440 He said there were more bodies 8 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:21,400 than the three he'd been tried for 9 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:24,200 and he wanted to tell me where they were. 10 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:25,680 And you have never told the police? 11 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:27,480 Helen Karamides has been accused 12 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:30,400 of retaining tissue samples from dead infants. 13 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:31,520 I've brought you something. 14 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:33,560 It's some research. 15 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:35,200 I'd like your opinion on it. 16 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:37,720 You take such an interest in me, Doctor? 17 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:41,000 Is that professional? 18 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:41,960 Or personal? 19 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:24,040 Right, so this plumber guy collects body parts? 20 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:25,480 His mother does. 21 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:26,520 Sorry, obviously, the plumber guy. 22 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:27,920 his mother collects body parts. 23 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:30,720 Annie Farmer was Arnold Mears' Appropriate Adult. 24 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:31,640 Arnold Mears? 25 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:32,920 I thought Appropriate Adults 26 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:35,160 were for juveniles with absent parents? 27 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:36,520 Well, apparently under the Mental Health Act, 28 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:38,520 it's standard procedure. 29 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:40,200 When the police arrested Mears, 30 00:01:40,320 --> 00:01:41,720 he was obviously disturbed 31 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:44,280 and someone classified him as vulnerable. 32 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:46,560 Vulnerable? 33 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:47,720 So, what do you think you've got here? 34 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:49,280 Well, I've only just started examining them, 35 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:52,600 but four individuals, approximately 15 bones each. 36 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:53,840 And Mears went down for how many? 37 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:56,360 Three counts of murder, all women under 20. 38 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:58,720 Right, so with these four making seven. 39 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:00,200 12. 40 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:01,000 12. 41 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:02,360 Mears has told Annie 42 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:04,120 that he's killed 12 girls all together. 43 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:06,760 And you believe him, and her for that matter? 44 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:09,800 I don't know, but it's worth finding out more isn't it? 45 00:02:09,920 --> 00:02:12,000 I can send samples for DNA comparison 46 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:13,120 with the Missing Persons Database. 47 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:14,520 This is police business. 48 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:17,680 I know, but Annie says that if we get the police involved 49 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:19,520 then Mears will stop talking 50 00:02:19,640 --> 00:02:21,440 and we'll never know the final figure. 51 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:25,520 Apparently, he calls these hand bones his souvenirs, 52 00:02:25,640 --> 00:02:27,240 and when she's collected all of them, 53 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:29,760 he'll tell her where the rest of the bodies are. 54 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:31,400 Right. 55 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:33,920 She's been digging up these bones for five years Harry. 56 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:37,840 So the idea is that once she's collected 57 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:39,960 a kind of full house in this game of finger bingo, 58 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:41,560 then he will suddenly come clean 59 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:43,360 and reveal the whereabouts of the rest of these bodies. 60 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:45,400 Come on, he's just playing with her, isn't he? 61 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:47,600 Maybe you're right. 62 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:53,560 But if you won't help, he will destroy my mum. 63 00:02:56,680 --> 00:02:57,400 Hello? 64 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:00,760 What? 65 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:02,680 When? 66 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:24,760 She came to see me last night. 67 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:29,120 I didn't think she. 68 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:30,760 What happened? 69 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:35,520 Uh, nothing really, we talked. 70 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:38,160 She was angry. 71 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:40,400 At me, I thought. 72 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:43,400 She gave me a package. 73 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:46,960 Containing some research material. 74 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:49,040 I didn't open it. 75 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:02,960 What, shall we get on the computer? 76 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:09,440 Good morning, doctor whoever you are. 77 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:13,480 I sort of hope 78 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:15,880 it's you, Leo, 79 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:18,440 and I sort of hope it isn't 80 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:20,480 because if it is someone else, 81 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:25,400 then you'll only be interested in the what, not the why. 82 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:27,360 The dosage. 83 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:29,000 The temperature. 84 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:30,040 The alcohol. 85 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:32,960 I could save you the trouble. 86 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:37,040 But if it isn't someone else, Leo, 87 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:39,880 then you might as well know that in the cabinet over there 88 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:43,880 are all the tissue samples you correctly allege 89 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:46,440 I retained without proper permission. 90 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:50,760 I wrote to tell her the Institute 91 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:53,720 was opening disciplinary proceedings against her. 92 00:04:53,840 --> 00:04:56,440 Maybe some pathologist will carry on my work. 93 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:00,120 Maybe even you, Leo. 94 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:06,400 So, what is the correct salutation in these circumstances? 95 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:12,120 Cheers? 96 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:15,920 Good health? 97 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:22,520 Or just good night and good luck? 98 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:24,280 Please, turn it off, will you? 99 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:06,760 Catherine Morrison, Harriet Green, Louise Alsop. 100 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:08,560 Why do they sound familiar? 101 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:09,920 Arnold Mears' victims. 102 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:13,400 Arnold Mears? 103 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:19,080 Mm, the guy who killed several girls a few years ago. 104 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:21,000 Helen was the pathologist on the case. 105 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:27,400 What? 106 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:32,760 I'll get some paint, and then I'll do it up nice. 107 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:36,680 Be like a proper bedroom again. 108 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:39,160 Maybe I should go see him one last time. 109 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:41,040 No. 110 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:44,080 That's all over with now. 111 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:45,520 Maybe he could help us. 112 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:47,000 Well, help us, what with? 113 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:51,360 You didn't tell him about Tina, did you? 114 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:55,520 Of course not. 115 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:04,440 So these bones you're talking about. 116 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:06,720 They're evidence of crimes, of multiple crimes. 117 00:07:06,840 --> 00:07:08,240 Yes. 118 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:09,160 So why haven't you showed them to the police? 119 00:07:09,280 --> 00:07:10,480 Annie Farmer asked me not to. 120 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:11,600 Aw, come on. 121 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:13,080 And I was about to, and then you called. 122 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:20,920 This is not your fault Leo. 123 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:24,840 Is this the letter you wrote her? 124 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:26,600 Yes. 125 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:27,840 She hasn't opened it. 126 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:35,000 But she has opened this, which is odd. 127 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:38,400 And, this once known, shall soon return, 128 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:42,280 and bring ye to the place where thou and Death 129 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:44,200 shall dwell at ease. 130 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:45,640 Paradise Lost. 131 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:46,480 Is it? 132 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:47,840 Who sent her that? 133 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:49,720 I think I can tell you. 134 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:51,840 And I can confirm that a body 135 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:54,560 has left the home of Dr. Helen Karamides, 136 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:55,960 the pathologist at the center 137 00:07:56,080 --> 00:07:58,160 of the shaken baby controversy. 138 00:07:58,280 --> 00:07:59,560 We have no details at the moment, 139 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:01,720 but it is not believed that the police 140 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:03,520 regard the death as suspicious. 141 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:05,280 Can you give us a comment please? 142 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:08,640 Uh, a respected colleague of ours has passed away. 143 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:09,880 It's too soon to comment. 144 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:12,320 Is it connected to the recent court case? 145 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:13,720 Please. 146 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:15,240 Is it true that she was about to be struck off? 147 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:17,440 Uh, like my colleague, I have nothing to say. 148 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:18,600 Dr. Alexander, what has happened here? 149 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:19,760 No comment. 150 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:09,000 1st of July, 2011. 151 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:12,360 Interview between Helen Karamides and Arnold Mears. 152 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:16,080 Good Morning, Doctor. 153 00:09:17,680 --> 00:09:21,360 I'd like to go back to your family, Arnold. 154 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:24,720 You think a boy's unhappy because he's poor? 155 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:27,480 No brothers and sisters. 156 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:28,600 Didn't have a mother. 157 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:31,400 I did have a mother, of course I did. 158 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:32,800 In a biological sense, obviously, 159 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:34,480 but how well did you know her? 160 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:38,760 -What was she like? 161 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:41,360 You take such an interest in me, Doctor? 162 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:44,720 Is that professional? 163 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:45,760 Or personal? 164 00:09:47,560 --> 00:09:49,080 Of course, I forget. 165 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:53,280 You're intimate with all your patients. 166 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:55,360 I don't have patients. 167 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:56,760 Oh yes, you do. 168 00:09:58,760 --> 00:09:59,520 Dead ones. 169 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:09,640 Slight yellowing of the of the eyes. 170 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:15,000 Spider naevi on the right hand, 171 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:21,400 on both hands. 172 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:24,360 Some reddening of the palms. 173 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:34,320 Do you think I'm mental, Doctor? 174 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:36,080 I think you're ill. 175 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:39,200 So, it's not my fault. 176 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:41,600 It's very difficult to prove that sort of thing. 177 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:44,520 Would you like to look inside my brain? 178 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:48,240 You could prove it then, couldn't you? 179 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:49,120 Perhaps. 180 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:52,360 There I'd be, 181 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:56,320 sitting there on a shelf in your laboratory in a glass jar, 182 00:10:56,440 --> 00:11:01,320 my poor damaged brain looking down on you for eternity. 183 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:12,360 Did you feel anything? 184 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:13,520 When? 185 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:16,240 With, with the women. 186 00:11:17,680 --> 00:11:19,120 You mean, when I cut them? 187 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:20,760 Yes. 188 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:24,480 Did I feel anything? 189 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:30,000 Do you? 190 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:32,360 That's different, I'm a scientist. 191 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:33,800 Didn't you wonder what they felt? 192 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:38,840 Do laboratory animals have feelings, Dr. Karamides? 193 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:40,880 You regard yourself as a scientist? 194 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:43,360 I like that. 195 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:45,840 You and I are the same, 196 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:50,120 like two little peas in a pod 197 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:51,960 with one small difference. 198 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:53,120 And what's that? 199 00:11:54,560 --> 00:11:57,280 You do the postmortems. 200 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:00,360 I do the premortems. 201 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:20,080 All right, Arnold? 202 00:12:56,520 --> 00:12:57,200 Mum. 203 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:04,600 No. 204 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:23,640 Helen Karamides was utterly determined 205 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:24,880 to prove her theory. 206 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:26,920 There's a mass of material. 207 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:31,000 MRI scans, statistical analyses, 208 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:34,320 clinical reports, and most intriguingly of all, 209 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:38,440 she was very, very interested in Arnold Mears. 210 00:13:38,560 --> 00:13:40,000 She interviewed him. 211 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:41,800 For 40 hours. 212 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:43,360 She could not keep away from him. 213 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:44,400 Why? 214 00:13:45,560 --> 00:13:46,160 Judging from her PM reports on his victims, 215 00:13:47,560 --> 00:13:49,360 she was formulating a theory about Mears' personality. 216 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:51,400 She thought that he lacked affect. 217 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:53,560 Couldn't tell the difference between pain and pleasure. 218 00:13:53,680 --> 00:13:54,640 But he wanted to find out. 219 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:56,520 He experimented on his victims. 220 00:13:56,640 --> 00:13:58,120 Karamides thought so. 221 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:02,840 But then she made the most interesting discovery of all. 222 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:04,200 Take a look at this. 223 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:10,160 This is a scan of Arnold Mears' brain. 224 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:11,200 Wow, look at that. 225 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:12,280 Scarring. 226 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:14,200 On a massive scale. 227 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:15,320 I've never seen anything quite like it. 228 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:16,520 Where did he get these injuries? 229 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:17,920 Fighting, prison? 230 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:21,400 Childhood. 231 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:25,080 She thought he was a shaken baby. 232 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:27,080 That's why she was interviewing him. 233 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:28,480 Trying to find out more about his childhood. 234 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:29,720 To get inside his head. 235 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:33,920 But he obviously got inside hers. 236 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:54,280 And you've examined these remains? 237 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:56,040 Just a preliminary study, yes. 238 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:58,640 But the cuts and scratches on the distal bones 239 00:14:58,760 --> 00:14:59,600 are clearly visible. 240 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:00,840 Indicating? 241 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:03,400 That Annie Farmer's story is probably true. 242 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:06,240 They were hacked off by a blade of some kind. 243 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:07,880 They were still alive? 244 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:09,480 Impossible to say. 245 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:11,680 Well, their sufferings are over now, thank God. 246 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:14,320 Though not the agony their families went through. 247 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:17,280 But you've brought that one stage closer to resolution. 248 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:20,480 What are you going to do? 249 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:21,840 Our job, I hope. 250 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:23,880 The way it should have been done in the first place. 251 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:26,280 The original team were so keen to put Mears away, 252 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:27,840 they stopped at three bodies. 253 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:30,080 Didn't push him any further. 254 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:31,320 Understandable, I suppose. 255 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:34,440 But a case isn't over till it's over. 256 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:35,520 I'll be in touch. 257 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:36,720 Thanks very much. 258 00:15:39,640 --> 00:15:41,960 You will be sensitive, won't you? 259 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:43,360 Sensitive? 260 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:44,280 Well, it's just Annie Farmer 261 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:45,640 told me all this in confidence. 262 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:46,960 Mrs. Farmer should have gone to the police 263 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:48,480 a long time ago. 264 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:50,280 I know, but as I was trying to explain to you, 265 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:51,360 she didn't feel like she was able-- 266 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:53,240 Try telling that to the families. 267 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:55,600 Concealing evidence is a serious offense. 268 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:57,400 Dr. Alexander feels, we all think, 269 00:15:57,520 --> 00:16:00,720 that Mrs. Farmer acted with the best of motives. 270 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:02,480 Well, I'll do what I can. 271 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:04,080 But our priority has got to be finding 272 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:05,920 where Mears buried these poor women. 273 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:06,720 Of course. 274 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:26,320 H264. 275 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:28,920 Open up. 276 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:35,320 So pondering, and from his armed peers 277 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:39,920 forth stepping opposite, halfway he met his daring foe, 278 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:42,120 at this prevention more incensed, 279 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:46,040 and thus securely him defied. 280 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:48,320 What's all that about? 281 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:51,280 It's from Book Six. 282 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:53,440 The very heart of the poem, 283 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:57,120 where the Son of God charges Satan and his legions, 284 00:16:57,240 --> 00:16:58,320 drives them into hell. 285 00:16:58,440 --> 00:16:59,880 Fascinating. 286 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:01,160 Did you read it to those girls 287 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:02,920 before you hacked their hands off? 288 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:05,320 No. 289 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:06,680 I read it to myself. 290 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:09,320 What can I do for you? 291 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:13,080 You went down for three murders. 292 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:16,040 But there were more, weren't there? 293 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:18,320 It's all a bit of a blur. 294 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:20,640 You don't remember how many women you killed? 295 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:24,600 I've got a medical condition. 296 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:27,200 Something wrong with my brain. 297 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:28,800 I tried to get my head around it, 298 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:32,400 but there's something wrong with my brain. 299 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:34,280 Well, let me help you. 300 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:36,040 We have evidence that you murdered 301 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:38,200 as many as seven young women. 302 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:42,000 I'm offering you the chance to tell us where they are. 303 00:17:42,120 --> 00:17:43,640 Seven, you say? 304 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:44,480 At least. 305 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:45,320 Mm. 306 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:52,920 No, I'm sorry, nothing's coming. 307 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:55,040 Maybe you made a mistake. 308 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:56,960 We have scientific evidence. 309 00:17:58,480 --> 00:17:59,640 What evidence? 310 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:01,240 Bones. 311 00:18:01,360 --> 00:18:04,320 From the hands of at least four individuals. 312 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:09,960 You've been talking to Annie Farmer. 313 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:48,400 Hello? 314 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:51,440 You're not answering my calls, Annie. 315 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:52,760 Are you bored of me? 316 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:54,320 No. 317 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:55,360 No, of course not. 318 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:57,840 Have you found someone else to talk to? 319 00:18:57,960 --> 00:18:58,760 What? 320 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:01,320 I had a visit from a policeman. 321 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:06,360 I told you what would happen if you talked to them. 322 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:07,760 I didn't talk to the police. 323 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:09,280 I swear. 324 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:10,440 The policeman mentioned your name. 325 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:12,720 He was very specific. 326 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:14,400 We've known each other a long time, Annie. 327 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:17,760 I would hate to think we couldn't trust each other anymore. 328 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:19,920 You can, you can, you can trust me. 329 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:20,880 I do hope so. 330 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:24,920 Because if I thought I couldn't, 331 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:27,960 we wouldn't have our little chats. 332 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:30,800 Just when you were about to get exactly what you wanted. 333 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:34,440 Am I? 334 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:35,280 Yes. 335 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:39,080 Do you want to visit me today? 336 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:40,520 We can talk about Tina. 337 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:44,360 Really? 338 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:45,200 Yeah. 339 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:50,920 Just tell me who were talking to, then we can have our chat. 340 00:19:54,360 --> 00:19:55,720 Dr. Alexander. 341 00:19:56,920 --> 00:19:58,760 Nikki, Nikki Alexander. 342 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:04,080 Is everything all right? 343 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:05,480 Just a couple more questions if you wouldn't mind. 344 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:06,280 Of course. 345 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:07,280 For Dr. Alexander. 346 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:11,400 It's about Annie Farmer. 347 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:13,160 What about her? 348 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:14,800 I've spoken to the governor of the secure unit 349 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:16,880 where Mears is being held. 350 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:21,000 Now, Mrs. Farmer has visited him 31 times 351 00:20:21,120 --> 00:20:21,960 in the last three years. 352 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:24,000 Now, that's almost once a month. 353 00:20:24,120 --> 00:20:25,880 I told you, she feels she's got to. 354 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:27,320 And I've checked with the other prisons 355 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:29,880 where Mears was held, and there's a similar pattern. 356 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:31,400 Well, she can't stop, that's the point. 357 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:34,440 Now, I'd say that was a pretty full diary. 358 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:37,040 Even for a wife or a partner. 359 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:40,360 What are you implying? 360 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:41,520 I just have to be sure 361 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:43,720 we're not dealing with a romantic obsession here. 362 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:44,680 What? 363 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:45,640 Well, she's a lonely woman. 364 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:47,000 It wouldn't be the first time. 365 00:20:47,120 --> 00:20:48,800 I don't think that Annie's like that. 366 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:51,600 Well, maybe she just enjoys the attention. 367 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:53,560 What, you're saying she digs up bones 368 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:55,040 to make herself look important? 369 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:56,680 Oh, he was her moment of glory. 370 00:20:56,800 --> 00:20:58,160 She wants to hang on to it. 371 00:20:58,280 --> 00:20:59,400 Have you been to see him? 372 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:01,720 Well, obviously I've re-interviewed him. 373 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:03,480 Did you tell him about Annie? 374 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:07,560 I'm back, Mum. 375 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:11,160 Mum. 376 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:15,840 Mum. 377 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:37,400 Does she seem familiar? 378 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:40,360 It's difficult. 379 00:21:44,360 --> 00:21:47,280 Do you think you do remember her? 380 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:01,360 Yes. 381 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:05,280 I remember her. 382 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:22,600 What's the matter? 383 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:23,920 Mum's gone to him. 384 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:25,200 Are you sure? 385 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:26,240 He rang when I was there. 386 00:22:26,360 --> 00:22:27,640 I know it was him. 387 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:30,320 They've got a code, a signal he uses when he wants her. 388 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:31,400 She ignored it. 389 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:32,720 So? 390 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:34,240 He rang back after I'd gone out. 391 00:22:34,360 --> 00:22:35,040 How do you know? 392 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:36,400 Because I just know. 393 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:39,160 And this time she has taken Tina's picture with her. 394 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:41,360 Who's Tina? 395 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:42,680 My sister. 396 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:43,680 Your sister? 397 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:46,280 She left home when she was 16. 398 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:48,360 Walked out one morning after her and mum had a row 399 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:49,640 and that was that. 400 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:52,880 And you think Mears has anything to do her disappearance? 401 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:54,240 No, I don't. 402 00:22:54,360 --> 00:22:56,320 I think she's just out there somewhere. 403 00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:57,600 I tried to tell mum this, 404 00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:00,360 but it's almost like she wants it to be true. 405 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:02,280 To end the not knowing. 406 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:04,560 She thinks it's fate that took her to Mears. 407 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:06,160 God's will. 408 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:09,360 Andy, the best people to help your mum now are the police. 409 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:10,400 No, I told you, didn't I? 410 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:12,280 If the police find out, he'll punish her. 411 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:14,320 You don't know his power. 412 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:15,680 He's poison. 413 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:17,360 He can make her do anything he likes. 414 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:19,400 Andy, the police are already involved. 415 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:23,760 They've spoken to Mears. 416 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:26,360 And they will help your mum, I promise you. 417 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:30,200 I'm sorry. 418 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:33,000 We had to do tell them, no choice. 419 00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:38,280 I trusted you. 420 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:43,240 Mum trusted you. 421 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:48,360 I took you to her. 422 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:49,600 I thought you'd help us. 423 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:51,160 These are human bones. 424 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:52,960 Evidence of terrible crimes. 425 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:56,000 I'm talking about my mum. 426 00:23:57,920 --> 00:23:58,840 He knows. 427 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:02,720 You've given her away. 428 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:05,240 He'll find a way to kill her now. 429 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:08,440 Where is she? 430 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:10,440 Please. 431 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:14,120 Tell me please. 432 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:16,040 Where did you bury her? 433 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:19,240 Arnold, please. 434 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:21,520 Tell me. 435 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:26,400 Please tell me where she is. 436 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:28,760 Have goodbye kiss, go on. 437 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:30,440 Tell me. 438 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:37,240 Come on, come on. 439 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:51,480 Please. 440 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:07,840 Yep. 441 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:11,120 You're quite sure? 442 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:12,640 She's not still in the building somewhere? 443 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:15,800 Okay, thanks. 444 00:25:17,360 --> 00:25:19,360 She's already left the prison. 445 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:20,240 Probably gone home. 446 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:23,240 Leo? 447 00:25:23,360 --> 00:25:24,240 Yep 448 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:28,240 I'm worried about Annie Farmer. 449 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:30,360 Why? 450 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:31,920 Well, her son's just come to see me, 451 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:33,280 and he's convinced that Mears is going to punish her 452 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:34,880 for talking to me. 453 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:35,680 How? 454 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:36,880 He's in prison. 455 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:42,120 Look what happened to Helen Karamides. 456 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:49,360 Harry. 457 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:50,480 Mm-hmm? 458 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:51,920 The DNA results from the bones have come through. 459 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:53,280 They have all been identified 460 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:54,720 from the Missing Persons Database. 461 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:56,040 Good. 462 00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:57,840 Arnold Mears' DNA is all over them. 463 00:25:57,960 --> 00:25:58,640 Very good. 464 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:05,960 Hang on. 465 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:08,520 Look at this. 466 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:13,680 DNA from the bit of cloth. 467 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:16,120 And it's not Mears'. 468 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:17,600 Contamination. 469 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:19,400 But it's very close. 470 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:24,240 And whoever it is, they're not on the national database. 471 00:26:24,360 --> 00:26:25,840 Probably borrowed someone's handkerchief from home 472 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,960 and then later used to wrap the bone. 473 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:30,440 Mears lived alone. 474 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:32,040 He was a loner. 475 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:34,880 The police argued that he was the classic solitary killer. 476 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:36,840 But maybe someone helped him. 477 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:38,160 What, you think there is an accomplice? 478 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:39,200 A family member? 479 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:40,720 It's possible, isn't it? 480 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:42,280 I mean, you heard that policeman. 481 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:44,280 The original team was so desperate to put Mears away 482 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:46,240 that they stopped at three bodies. 483 00:26:47,120 --> 00:26:48,080 If they didn't follow that up, 484 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:50,400 then maybe they missed this too. 485 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:07,160 The things that poor woman had to listen to. 486 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:08,560 The foulest things. 487 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:12,240 And the tone in his voice as he said them. 488 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:16,240 What she was doing there, I'll never understand. 489 00:27:16,360 --> 00:27:18,200 It was hard enough for us. 490 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:20,480 Two of my lads asked to be taken off the case. 491 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:23,600 But he loved it. 492 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:26,520 Couldn't wait to confess. 493 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:30,200 Every last detail. 494 00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:32,680 We've discovered some new forensic evidence, 495 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:35,240 which raises some questions. 496 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:39,760 Did you ever suspect that he had an accomplice? 497 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:42,600 An accomplice? 498 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:45,320 Another Arnold Mears? 499 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:48,680 God forbid. 500 00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:50,960 Did you ask him if he killed any others? 501 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:54,400 Of course, but he just smiled his stupid smile 502 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:56,240 and started reciting poetry. 503 00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:01,240 We were just glad to put him away and forget about him. 504 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:09,000 And I suggest you do the same. 505 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:30,480 Can I help? 506 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:31,760 Is there anything in here 507 00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:33,640 about Arnold Mears' family background? 508 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:35,200 Why are you interested? 509 00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:36,280 Well, DNA suggests he might have had an accomplice, 510 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:37,920 a family member. 511 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:39,320 Well, the police would have mentioned it, wouldn't they? 512 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:41,360 What happens if they didn't know about it? 513 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:44,320 I think he might have bluffed them. 514 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,520 Apparently he was so graphic when they were questioning him, 515 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:49,880 they just wanted to put him away. 516 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,520 But maybe he was protecting someone, 517 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:56,280 distracting them so they never asked the right questions. 518 00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:57,800 And? 519 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:00,280 Well whoever he is, this accomplice might still out there, 520 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:02,200 and Mears might be sending Annie to him. 521 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:04,920 Well during her interviews, 522 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:06,560 Helen asked him several times about the family, 523 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:08,840 but he was always very evasive. 524 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:10,440 She was convinced that he'd been abused as a child, 525 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:12,400 so she carried on the investigation. 526 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:15,520 Looks like his mother died in childbirth. 527 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:19,560 No siblings. 528 00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:21,200 He was brought up by his father. 529 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:23,240 Still alive? 530 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:25,000 Uh, yes. 531 00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:33,400 It won't take long, will it? 532 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:35,320 It's just he gets very tired. 533 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:37,480 It's just a quick swab, that's all. 534 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:44,560 Mr. Mears? 535 00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:47,520 Mr. Mears? 536 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,800 Mr. Mears, I'm Nikki Alexander. 537 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:56,080 I'm a pathologist. 538 00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:58,280 This is my colleague Harry Cunningham. 539 00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:00,040 Uh. 540 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:01,880 Someone did tell you we were coming, didn't they? 541 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:03,680 Yeah, uh huh. 542 00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:07,160 We want to ask you some questions about your son, Arnold. 543 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:12,640 Don't, don't tell him I'm here, will you? 544 00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:13,920 Don't worry, we won't. 545 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:16,200 When did you last see him? 546 00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:19,120 It wasn't my fault. 547 00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:20,280 What wasn't your fault? 548 00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:23,200 Anybody would have loved her. 549 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:26,520 She was so beautiful. 550 00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:31,480 She went away. 551 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:34,040 Did you help your son, Mr. Mears? 552 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,120 Yeah, yeah, of course I did! 553 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:39,360 I did everything I could for the boy. 554 00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:44,320 But he had Satan here inside of him. 555 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:51,200 You won't, you won't tell him I'm here, will you? 556 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:54,320 For God's sake, for God's, I'm sorry. 557 00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:56,960 I'm so sorry. 558 00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:01,280 Can we take the swab, Mr. Mears? 559 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:03,000 Yeah. 560 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:08,240 What do you think? 561 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:11,040 It doesn't seem very likely, does it? 562 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,040 But if not him, then who? 563 00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:14,320 The DNA will confirm it one way or the other. 564 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:15,640 Yes, but that will take time. 565 00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:17,800 Meanwhile, we have no idea where Annie is. 566 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:19,360 And if he wasn't the accomplice. 567 00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:21,520 Hang on a minute. 568 00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:23,080 Excuse me. 569 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:24,600 How long has Mr. Mears has been a resident here? 570 00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:26,360 Well, he was here when I started, 571 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:27,720 about seven years ago. 572 00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:29,480 Has he always been this frail? 573 00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:30,600 For as long as I've known him. 574 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:32,760 Has he ever gone out much? 575 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:34,440 Oh, outside the home, do you mean? 576 00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:36,200 Staying with family, that sort of thing. 577 00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:37,200 He's never been beyond 578 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:39,080 the seat at the bottom of the garden. 579 00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:40,480 Any further than that, 580 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:42,200 and he wouldn't be able to find his way back again. 581 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:44,960 Thanks. 582 00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:51,080 Look at this. 583 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,320 Arnold Mears, aged nine years and three months, 584 00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:55,200 admitted to hospital with severe concussion 585 00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:57,200 on 10th of May, 1957. 586 00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:00,360 An accident while playing, is what it says here. 587 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:02,960 But the police suspected that the father 588 00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:04,560 might be responsible. 589 00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:05,880 Well, he may or may not 590 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:06,800 have beaten him when he was a kid, but-- 591 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:08,080 It wasn't not the father. 592 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:09,680 He definitely wasn't Mears' accomplice. 593 00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:11,240 Any another members of the family? 594 00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:13,320 There don't appear to be any. 595 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:14,560 Where did the accident happen? 596 00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:16,400 The hospital was in Ladbroke Grove. 597 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:19,560 No home address. 598 00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:23,200 Mr. Mears appears to have been a verger at St. Chad's. 599 00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:27,520 That's a church down the road. 600 00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:30,720 If I remember rightly, there's an entry in Helen's diary. 601 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:31,720 Yes, here we are. 602 00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:36,400 She went there three days before she died. 603 00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:38,440 Did she find anything out? 604 00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:39,400 Who knows? 605 00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,920 Let each his adamantine coat gird well 606 00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:47,920 and each fit well his helm. 607 00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:53,360 Grip fast his orbed shield, borne even or high, 608 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:55,360 for this day will pour down, 609 00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:58,920 if I conjecture ought, no drizzling shower. 610 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:03,520 But rattling storm of arrows barbed with fire. 611 00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:20,520 Excuse me. 612 00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:23,920 Have you being coming to this church for a long time? 613 00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:25,800 Many years. 614 00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:28,680 You don't remember someone called Arnold Mears, do you? 615 00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:29,640 You might know his name. 616 00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:31,280 He's in prison now. 617 00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:33,400 I think his father was the verger here some time ago. 618 00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:35,800 Everybody knows about Arnold Mears. 619 00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:37,880 Did you know him personally? 620 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:39,920 I met him when he was a child. 621 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:41,320 Later? 622 00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:42,920 I wasn't here then. 623 00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:46,640 Do you know if he have any brothers or sisters? 624 00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:47,840 Not that I've heard of. 625 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:51,040 He, he was a lonely child. 626 00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:52,360 So I've heard. 627 00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:54,800 Thanks. 628 00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:56,880 Why are you asking all these questions? 629 00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:00,040 I'm doing some research. 630 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:04,160 To try to find out why he did what he did? 631 00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:06,960 Yes. 632 00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:08,760 Well, there was a woman here last week 633 00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:10,280 asking the same questions. 634 00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:12,080 Yes, she was a colleague of mine. 635 00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:15,120 I, I told her then everything I know. 636 00:34:15,240 --> 00:34:18,160 I mean, he used to play here 637 00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:20,200 when his father was working. 638 00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:28,640 Apparently, he had a terrible accident when he was nine. 639 00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:30,320 Do you know if that happened here? 640 00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:34,720 In the crypt, I believe. 641 00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:49,120 Thank you for your help. 642 00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:51,360 Oh, I'm so sorry. 643 00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:55,160 I need to take this call. 644 00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:56,160 I'll go up. 645 00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:57,840 Thanks. 646 00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:00,400 Mum! 647 00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:04,480 Mum! 648 00:35:05,720 --> 00:35:07,200 Mum! 649 00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:08,040 Mum! 650 00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:09,680 Nikki. 651 00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:11,800 I've got some news. 652 00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:14,040 Have they found Annie? 653 00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:16,280 No, no, it's Mears. 654 00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:19,160 He's decided to reveal where the remaining bodies are. 655 00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:21,600 Right. 656 00:35:21,720 --> 00:35:22,680 On one condition. 657 00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:25,360 What's that? 658 00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:26,800 He reveals them to you. 659 00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:33,920 Nikki? 660 00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:35,000 Yes, I'm here. 661 00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:42,280 Don't make physical contact. 662 00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:44,840 Don't give him anything or accept anything from him. 663 00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:49,160 And don't tell him any personal details. 664 00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:51,200 You don't have to do this Nikki. 665 00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:52,800 No one's gonna think the worse of you. 666 00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:54,320 It's okay. 667 00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:55,280 Is there anything else? 668 00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:56,480 Yes, earpiece. 669 00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:00,880 Won't that make him suspicious? 670 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,160 Well, we won't be able to communicate with you otherwise. 671 00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:05,440 Don't worry, I'll be fine. 672 00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:07,680 Good luck. 673 00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:27,880 Mr. Mears, I'm Dr.-- 674 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:29,320 Dr. Nikki Alexander. 675 00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:31,280 Yeah, I know all about you. 676 00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:32,840 I did invite you, didn't I? 677 00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:35,840 Yes, you did. 678 00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:39,080 Did you bring your pencil and paper like a good girl? 679 00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:40,320 No, of course you haven't. 680 00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:42,800 Your friends next door 681 00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:44,800 have taken care of the clerical details, won' they? 682 00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:47,320 I hear you want to tell me 683 00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:49,760 where the bodies of your other victims are buried? 684 00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:51,200 Oh, you are in a hurry, huh? 685 00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:52,320 You got somewhere to go? 686 00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:56,600 It's all right, you're perfectly safe. 687 00:36:56,720 --> 00:36:58,040 I can't harm you. 688 00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:00,160 He's taking control. 689 00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:01,400 Doesn't matter if he tells her 690 00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:03,320 where the bodies are buried, does it? 691 00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:04,320 All right. 692 00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:05,720 Let's talk about Annie Farmer. 693 00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:08,000 Annie? 694 00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:09,360 Annie? 695 00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:12,520 Annie's gone, I'm afraid, and she won't be coming back. 696 00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:15,200 Where have you sent her? 697 00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:18,040 I've sent her to find her to find her long lost daughter. 698 00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:20,840 No, you haven't. 699 00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:21,960 No, I haven't. 700 00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,040 You've no idea where Tina is. 701 00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:25,240 I was just being polite. 702 00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:28,720 Trying to give her what she wanted. 703 00:37:30,240 --> 00:37:35,040 To tell you the truth, I was getting a bit bored with Annie. 704 00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:37,920 So, you're getting rid of her. 705 00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:39,440 Mm. 706 00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:41,440 Were you bored with Dr. Karamides? 707 00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:45,160 Dr. Karamides killed herself. 708 00:37:46,240 --> 00:37:47,320 Nothing to do with me. 709 00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:49,040 I think it was. 710 00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:50,240 It was pills and booze, wasn't it? 711 00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:51,400 What a way to die. 712 00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:56,320 Facedown in a pool of your own stomach contents. 713 00:37:56,440 --> 00:38:01,360 Mm, Dr. Karamides used to come and visit me quite often. 714 00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:06,160 I think she was half in love with me. 715 00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:13,160 Well, some women probably do find you interesting. 716 00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:15,040 Exciting. 717 00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:17,680 Do you? 718 00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:23,160 No. 719 00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:25,760 Then why are you here? 720 00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:26,800 You invited me. 721 00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:30,280 Well maybe, if we got to know me a bit better, 722 00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:34,400 you might come and visit me out of more than politeness. 723 00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:37,160 Maybe I would. 724 00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:42,680 How often would you visit me? 725 00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:44,040 Once a month? 726 00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:48,280 It'd have to be more than that. 727 00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:52,160 It'd be nice to have something to look forward to. 728 00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:54,480 Okay. 729 00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:57,200 More than that, if you like. 730 00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:59,440 We could talk about important things. 731 00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,000 What makes you happy, what makes you sad. 732 00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:05,360 Intimate things. 733 00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:11,240 They'd never let us. 734 00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:13,120 Change the subject Nikki. 735 00:39:13,240 --> 00:39:14,320 What's she playing at? 736 00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:16,280 Wait, wait. 737 00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:19,720 They would if it was about the bodies. 738 00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:24,320 I could give you them one at a time. 739 00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:28,880 So, that would make 12 visits. 740 00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:30,840 At least. 741 00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:34,600 You're lying. 742 00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:38,880 I may not an educated man, Dr. Alexander, 743 00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:40,560 but I'm not stupid. 744 00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:43,080 You lie to me again, I'll leave, 745 00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:46,240 and that'll be the end of your precious Annie. 746 00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:47,560 I don't like the way this is going. 747 00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:49,720 I think she knows what she's doing. 748 00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:52,720 Let's talk about your work. 749 00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:55,120 Do you like it? 750 00:39:55,240 --> 00:39:56,120 Yes. 751 00:39:56,240 --> 00:39:57,080 Cutting up bodies. 752 00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:57,920 So do I. 753 00:39:59,720 --> 00:40:03,280 Sometimes I cut them up before they were dead. 754 00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:05,280 That was always the fun bit. 755 00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:08,160 You had it easier though. 756 00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:09,840 Someone got rid of yours. 757 00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:12,160 I had to get rid of mine all by myself. 758 00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:13,720 That what was always the difficult bit. 759 00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:16,240 You managed though all by yourself. 760 00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:18,040 Or did you have someone to help you? 761 00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:26,080 Well listen, it's been lovely having this chat with you 762 00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:27,480 and the rest of the team 763 00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:30,960 but I think this conversation is over. 764 00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:33,240 He's told us nothing! 765 00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:34,120 Come on! 766 00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:40,280 Don't you walk away from me. 767 00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:43,120 I went to St. Chad's today. 768 00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:47,680 That must have been a strange place to grow up. 769 00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:49,800 A little boy all by himself. 770 00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:51,240 Can't have been much of a childhood. 771 00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:52,680 I was happy enough. 772 00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:54,240 Oh, that's not what I heard. 773 00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:55,240 Who from? 774 00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:56,200 An old lady I met there. 775 00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:57,440 She said she felt sorry for you. 776 00:40:57,560 --> 00:40:59,120 Well I'm glad somebody does. 777 00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:15,200 Arnold? 778 00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:19,720 Where are you? 779 00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:34,120 I know you're in here! 780 00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:46,320 Then you can stay in here. 781 00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:05,960 I'm sorry. 782 00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:10,400 Don't leave me here. 783 00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:12,760 I promise to be good. 784 00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:15,280 Did your father beat you, Arnold? 785 00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:16,520 What? 786 00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:18,560 Dr. Karamides found scarring on your brain. 787 00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:20,120 Is that how you got it? 788 00:42:20,240 --> 00:42:20,920 My dad? 789 00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:22,160 He wouldn't dare. 790 00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:23,720 Is that the best you've got? 791 00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:24,960 Get me out of here. 792 00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:27,880 Why did you bring this today? 793 00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:29,280 Well, you can't be too careful. 794 00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:31,040 Last time I left it in my cell, 795 00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:34,080 I found a cop with his nose in it. 796 00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:35,120 Now leave it alone! 797 00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:38,120 I said, don't touch it! 798 00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,560 To my dearest Arnold, from his loving mother. 799 00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:54,560 I thought she died when you were born. 800 00:42:57,720 --> 00:42:59,600 Was it your mother who beat you? 801 00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:02,480 My mum loved me! 802 00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:04,120 Mum, where are you? 803 00:43:06,720 --> 00:43:07,840 Mum! 804 00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:09,200 Mum! 805 00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:10,400 But they sent her away! 806 00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:11,240 Why? 807 00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:16,120 When my dad got her pregnant, she was 13. 808 00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:19,040 They said she was a slut! 809 00:43:20,240 --> 00:43:21,240 Wouldn't let her see me! 810 00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:23,760 But she wanted to. 811 00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:27,320 My mum, she loved me! 812 00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:28,600 She's the only one that ever did! 813 00:43:28,720 --> 00:43:30,680 So, how did you damage your brain? 814 00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:32,200 Who did that to you? 815 00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:33,040 I did. 816 00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:34,720 I did! 817 00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:36,520 I did! 818 00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:37,360 Mears! 819 00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:38,160 I did! 820 00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:39,560 Mears! 821 00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:40,800 I did! 822 00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:41,600 I did! 823 00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:44,120 Hold him! 824 00:43:44,240 --> 00:43:45,520 Stop! 825 00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:47,080 Stop it! 826 00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:47,920 Arnold! 827 00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:49,880 Arnold! 828 00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:51,000 Where is she? 829 00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:54,240 Where's Annie? 830 00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:12,440 Hello? 831 00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:15,240 Nikki. 832 00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:17,640 Where? 833 00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:06,280 Go away. 834 00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:12,080 I'm not here to hurt you. 835 00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:13,880 Are you the police? 836 00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:18,320 No, I'm looking for my daughter. 837 00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:19,360 Who sent you? 838 00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:23,080 Arnold Mears. 839 00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:26,120 Arnold? 840 00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:29,080 My son? 841 00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:34,160 I tried to help him. 842 00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:38,600 I wanted to after what happened to him. 843 00:45:38,720 --> 00:45:39,960 That's why I came back. 844 00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:43,160 You protected him. 845 00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:46,960 It wasn't his fault. 846 00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:47,960 Where is she? 847 00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:51,160 She's here. 848 00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:53,080 Yeah, where? 849 00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:54,080 I kept her. 850 00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:57,120 I couldn't let her go. 851 00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:03,720 She was the last one, and he, he hadn't finished with her. 852 00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:07,840 I didn't know what else to do. 853 00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:10,200 She was still alive! 854 00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:11,280 Tina! 855 00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:12,520 She's all right. 856 00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:13,560 I gave her food. 857 00:46:14,720 --> 00:46:15,440 Water. 858 00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:17,400 I, I cherished her. 859 00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:22,560 I knew one day someone would come. 860 00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:32,680 She's waiting for you. 861 00:46:38,240 --> 00:46:39,000 Up there. 862 00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:00,080 Mum! 863 00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:13,640 Mum. 864 00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:28,080 Tina's come back to us. 865 00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:41,520 Mum that's, that's not Tina. 866 00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:45,160 Shh, shh. 867 00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:47,400 God has sent her back to me! 868 00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:08,680 Annie? 869 00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:11,840 Are you okay? 870 00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:43,480 Mears' last victim. 871 00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:48,080 This'll all get sorted out. 872 00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:51,720 Hmm, I'm not sure it is. 873 00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:57,080 Well, at least Annie's alive. 874 00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:00,160 Miss Grantz. 875 00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:22,560 Well done. 876 00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:24,120 What for? 877 00:49:24,240 --> 00:49:26,200 Mears has come clean about the remaining bodies. 878 00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:30,200 It's over. 879 00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:41,280 Okay, lift up. 880 00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:47,280 Yeah, we got something.